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		<title>Comment on Sorority Recruitment at Indiana University – Bloomington by Jo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 22:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sela, from your posts it seems like you&#039;re emotionally invested in this situation. I am not sure if you&#039;re an IU student or the parent of one. Sorry if my post upset you in anyway. However, I did not rank sororities, I was stating an opinion about three chapters which I thought could support a chapter house/structure at IU. I did NOT say these chapters were better or worse than any other, that would be ranking. I just speculated about finance. You were slightly off about DPhiE. They have active chapters at quite a few larger campuses: NYU, Miami (FLA), Michigan, Central Michigan, Florida, Seton Hall, St. John&#039;s and Florida Atlantic. At some campuses, DPhiE might fill a niche as you said. But they are not founded as a Jewish sorority and welcome women of all denominations. I still stand by my opinion, which it is that..my opinion, nothing more. Tri Sigma and Sigma Kappa have around 110 active chapters, they appear to have to the size to support an IU colonization. Whether they want to or not, I have no idea. DPhiE has approached IU a couple of times about coming back. I know they wanted to come in the 1980&#039;s when Alpha Xi Delta, Tri Sigma and ASA came to IU. So I assume they still might be interested. We will all see soon enough what chapters are interested since it looks like IU will open again for expansion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sela, from your posts it seems like you&#8217;re emotionally invested in this situation. I am not sure if you&#8217;re an IU student or the parent of one. Sorry if my post upset you in anyway. However, I did not rank sororities, I was stating an opinion about three chapters which I thought could support a chapter house/structure at IU. I did NOT say these chapters were better or worse than any other, that would be ranking. I just speculated about finance. You were slightly off about DPhiE. They have active chapters at quite a few larger campuses: NYU, Miami (FLA), Michigan, Central Michigan, Florida, Seton Hall, St. John&#8217;s and Florida Atlantic. At some campuses, DPhiE might fill a niche as you said. But they are not founded as a Jewish sorority and welcome women of all denominations. I still stand by my opinion, which it is that..my opinion, nothing more. Tri Sigma and Sigma Kappa have around 110 active chapters, they appear to have to the size to support an IU colonization. Whether they want to or not, I have no idea. DPhiE has approached IU a couple of times about coming back. I know they wanted to come in the 1980&#8242;s when Alpha Xi Delta, Tri Sigma and ASA came to IU. So I assume they still might be interested. We will all see soon enough what chapters are interested since it looks like IU will open again for expansion.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Our Parental Role: To Encourage, To Inspire &amp; To Process by stanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>stanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 01:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>M.B. - You are the BEST;  the best parent, the best friend, the best sister, the best neighbor, the shoulder to lean on, the best that anyone could ask for in their life.  Thank you for being  my friend,  dear one.  love and hugs, Stanley  (I guess you already know how I feel about you.)  (^-^)!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M.B. &#8211; You are the BEST;  the best parent, the best friend, the best sister, the best neighbor, the shoulder to lean on, the best that anyone could ask for in their life.  Thank you for being  my friend,  dear one.  love and hugs, Stanley  (I guess you already know how I feel about you.)  (^-^)!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sorority Recruitment at Indiana University – Bloomington by sela</title>
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		<dc:creator>sela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 00:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, please note the post above where NPC lets us know that IU does NOT own the houses - they are owned by national or local housing corps, who could feasibly pull their support out if changes are made that they don&#039;t dig (the latter more so than the former).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, please note the post above where NPC lets us know that IU does NOT own the houses &#8211; they are owned by national or local housing corps, who could feasibly pull their support out if changes are made that they don&#8217;t dig (the latter more so than the former).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sorority Recruitment at Indiana University – Bloomington by sela</title>
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		<dc:creator>sela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 00:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jo - re your three sororities not on campus who you for some reason believe could support housing when other NPC groups couldn&#039;t, Delta Phi Epsilon&#039;s chapters are mainly at small commuter campuses so I don&#039;t know where you think they&#039;re getting this vat of money.  The larger schools they ARE at, they are considered a niche/Jewish sorority.  As for Tri Sigma, they recently colonized a chapter at the University of Missouri.  This is a HUGE undertaking and will take several years of oversight before the chapter is considered a success.  Big LOLs at you saying that &quot;women do themselves in with their open house rankings&quot;...and then ranking sororities yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jo &#8211; re your three sororities not on campus who you for some reason believe could support housing when other NPC groups couldn&#8217;t, Delta Phi Epsilon&#8217;s chapters are mainly at small commuter campuses so I don&#8217;t know where you think they&#8217;re getting this vat of money.  The larger schools they ARE at, they are considered a niche/Jewish sorority.  As for Tri Sigma, they recently colonized a chapter at the University of Missouri.  This is a HUGE undertaking and will take several years of oversight before the chapter is considered a success.  Big LOLs at you saying that &#8220;women do themselves in with their open house rankings&#8221;&#8230;and then ranking sororities yourself.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sorority Recruitment at Indiana University – Bloomington by Indiana University, Bloomington - Student Life and Learning</title>
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		<dc:creator>Indiana University, Bloomington - Student Life and Learning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 22:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are writing this response on behalf of Indiana University, Bloomington.  We understand the grave concerns that parents, students, alumni and our other constituents have shared about the Panhellenic recruitment process at Indiana University, Bloomington.  The Panhellenic Association is a self-governing organization that is comprised of the 20 National Panhellenic Conference sororities that have chapters at Indiana University.  An unprecedented number of women registered for formal recruitment this year, which was approximately a 13% increase from the number of women that registered the prior year.  Despite having added a 20th chapter through this fall, a number of women were not placed during the recruitment process.  The Panhellenic Association will be welcoming another NPC sorority, Alpha Sigma Alpha, Fall of 2012 and women that are interested in joining that organization can learn more by emailing iupharec@gmail.com or by contacting the Alpha Sigma Alpha national office directly.

We are aware that there is still a need to place more women in sororities and will work with the Panhellenic community, their alumnae and national organizations to address the concerns that have been raised.  A committee comprised of staff, students, alumnae and relevant constituents will be charged with reviewing the recruitment process and providing suggestions to the Panhellenic community to address these stated concerns.  The Panhellenic Association is also reviewing extension and the opportunity to bring additional chapters to campus following Alpha Sigma Alpha’s colonization in the Fall of 2012.  Please continue to send your suggestions to iupharec@gmail.com and they will be compiled and utilized during the recruitment review process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are writing this response on behalf of Indiana University, Bloomington.  We understand the grave concerns that parents, students, alumni and our other constituents have shared about the Panhellenic recruitment process at Indiana University, Bloomington.  The Panhellenic Association is a self-governing organization that is comprised of the 20 National Panhellenic Conference sororities that have chapters at Indiana University.  An unprecedented number of women registered for formal recruitment this year, which was approximately a 13% increase from the number of women that registered the prior year.  Despite having added a 20th chapter through this fall, a number of women were not placed during the recruitment process.  The Panhellenic Association will be welcoming another NPC sorority, Alpha Sigma Alpha, Fall of 2012 and women that are interested in joining that organization can learn more by emailing <a href="mailto:iupharec@gmail.com">iupharec@gmail.com</a> or by contacting the Alpha Sigma Alpha national office directly.</p>
<p>We are aware that there is still a need to place more women in sororities and will work with the Panhellenic community, their alumnae and national organizations to address the concerns that have been raised.  A committee comprised of staff, students, alumnae and relevant constituents will be charged with reviewing the recruitment process and providing suggestions to the Panhellenic community to address these stated concerns.  The Panhellenic Association is also reviewing extension and the opportunity to bring additional chapters to campus following Alpha Sigma Alpha’s colonization in the Fall of 2012.  Please continue to send your suggestions to <a href="mailto:iupharec@gmail.com">iupharec@gmail.com</a> and they will be compiled and utilized during the recruitment review process.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sorority Recruitment at Indiana University – Bloomington by Dorothy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dorothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 21:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, here is the response I received after I wrote to iupharec@gmail.com:

“Dorthy (Sic)
 
Thank you for your past two emails and sorry for the delay in the response.  We appreciate all suggestions and we are collecting and reviewing all of them and passing them along to the Greek Community.
 
The Recruitment Team”

Unfortunately,  I’m not satisfied with this answer.  I feel as though this is simply an attempt to pacify me rather than a sincere commitment by IU to recognize our concerns as a problem that it has any accountability for. IU needs to accept more responsibility over the Greek organizations on their campus beyond simply ensuring that no laws are broken.  While I understand that the Sororities have a significant degree of independence, they are part of the University culture and I don’t think that IU can remain a neutral party to this particular issue.  Many of the young women who chose IU did so with very high expectations that they could participate in the Greek system and there was no information provided by the University indicating how exclusive the IU Greek system is compared to other Universities.

 As several contributors to this dialogue have suggested, why can’t the University advocate more vocally for their students and formally request that sororities add membership to more young women beyond the bed limitations of the existing houses?

Here are some excerpts from the NPC mission statement from their website:

&quot;This We Believe

Mutual Choice

The young woman who wants fraternity experience will find it possible to belong on most campuses today. Fraternity membership is a social experience arrived at by mutual choice and selection. Fraternity membership is by invitation.

Fraternities Exist Because They…
  .
    * Fill the need of belonging.

Fraternities Continue Because:

Young women feel a continuing need to belong. Parents appreciate fraternity values and standards and cooperate to make membership possible. College administrations, recognizing the values of fraternities, continue to welcome them on their campuses and to invite them to establish new chapters.&quot;
____________________________________________________________________

The IU sponsored Greek system is significantly flawed and seems to stray from the NPC mission in that it’s an exclusive system that leaves a significant number of young women with a less than a 50% chance that a “mutual” choice is possible.  More than half of the young women who participate in recruitment will have their need to feel belonged “filled” with a highly public process of rejection. 

I’m also concerned about some of the post-recruitment experiences my daughter recounted and I wonder if others have heard similar stories from their daughters. Last week my daughter and a friend were heckled publicly as “(expletive) GDI’s” after being turned away from a Fraternity party that they had been invited to by friends who were part of that fraternity.  Some of their close friends who did ultimately receive bids have suddenly become quite distant and unwilling to socialize with them.  Again, I understand that this is the de facto social engineering that occurs among any group of people in a community, but it seems that IU and the NPC would hold their students and members to higher standards of acceptable conduct to mitigate mean-spirited or outright bullying behaviors.  I wonder if the University would have a different level of engagement and tolerance if the exclusionary criteria and heckling had undertones of racial, biometric, or religious discrimination. 

 Today&#039;s freshmen were in kindergarten or first grade in 1999.  Prompted by tragic events that year, most Primary and Secondary schools enacted comprehensive anti-bullying education and policies to minimize if not eliminate the corrosive effects of social ostracization.   Most were zero tolerance policies because of the correlation noted between these types of behaviors and subsequent adolescent mental health disorders.  I hope that IU can consider this a problem that is worthy of more than just acting as an e-mail conduit between this blog and the NPC.  They need to advocate for this segment of their student body and wield some of the influence they have.  While the exclusivity may be something the IU sororities wish to maintain as part of their culture, I cannot see how it is in the best interest of the University or most of the student body. 


 At this point, my goal is not to get my daughter a place within the Greek system. It’s about making it better for those women who do want a second chance and for the upcoming Freshman class.  At minimum, the following needs to happen:

1.	IU and the IU Greek organizations need to be much more transparent about the exclusivity of the Greek system at IU.  The campus tour guides need to speak to this up front so that students (and their parents) can make informed decisions about \where they spend the next 4 years and their $160,000.

2.	Do what we can to collaborate with the University and the NPC to have the IU Greek houses increase the number of bids they give to women who will live outside of the house.  It will be more affordable for many and make the recruitment process less destructive and more equitable with what is done across the country.

Again, I am not out on some rampage to sully the reputation of the University or the IU Greek system as long as I feel that the problem is not being discounted or being suppressed.  I view an effort to educate current and future applicants about this situation as the right and ethical thing to do given what I know now.  IU and the NPC can join in this effort in a collaborative manner or continue to remain in more passive roles.

Please help me get the word out to forums that will have a broader and more influential audience.  Contact me at Dotty.N@comcast.net so we can organize and be heard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, here is the response I received after I wrote to <a href="mailto:iupharec@gmail.com">iupharec@gmail.com</a>:</p>
<p>“Dorthy (Sic)</p>
<p>Thank you for your past two emails and sorry for the delay in the response.  We appreciate all suggestions and we are collecting and reviewing all of them and passing them along to the Greek Community.</p>
<p>The Recruitment Team”</p>
<p>Unfortunately,  I’m not satisfied with this answer.  I feel as though this is simply an attempt to pacify me rather than a sincere commitment by IU to recognize our concerns as a problem that it has any accountability for. IU needs to accept more responsibility over the Greek organizations on their campus beyond simply ensuring that no laws are broken.  While I understand that the Sororities have a significant degree of independence, they are part of the University culture and I don’t think that IU can remain a neutral party to this particular issue.  Many of the young women who chose IU did so with very high expectations that they could participate in the Greek system and there was no information provided by the University indicating how exclusive the IU Greek system is compared to other Universities.</p>
<p> As several contributors to this dialogue have suggested, why can’t the University advocate more vocally for their students and formally request that sororities add membership to more young women beyond the bed limitations of the existing houses?</p>
<p>Here are some excerpts from the NPC mission statement from their website:</p>
<p>&#8220;This We Believe</p>
<p>Mutual Choice</p>
<p>The young woman who wants fraternity experience will find it possible to belong on most campuses today. Fraternity membership is a social experience arrived at by mutual choice and selection. Fraternity membership is by invitation.</p>
<p>Fraternities Exist Because They…<br />
  .<br />
    * Fill the need of belonging.</p>
<p>Fraternities Continue Because:</p>
<p>Young women feel a continuing need to belong. Parents appreciate fraternity values and standards and cooperate to make membership possible. College administrations, recognizing the values of fraternities, continue to welcome them on their campuses and to invite them to establish new chapters.&#8221;<br />
____________________________________________________________________</p>
<p>The IU sponsored Greek system is significantly flawed and seems to stray from the NPC mission in that it’s an exclusive system that leaves a significant number of young women with a less than a 50% chance that a “mutual” choice is possible.  More than half of the young women who participate in recruitment will have their need to feel belonged “filled” with a highly public process of rejection. </p>
<p>I’m also concerned about some of the post-recruitment experiences my daughter recounted and I wonder if others have heard similar stories from their daughters. Last week my daughter and a friend were heckled publicly as “(expletive) GDI’s” after being turned away from a Fraternity party that they had been invited to by friends who were part of that fraternity.  Some of their close friends who did ultimately receive bids have suddenly become quite distant and unwilling to socialize with them.  Again, I understand that this is the de facto social engineering that occurs among any group of people in a community, but it seems that IU and the NPC would hold their students and members to higher standards of acceptable conduct to mitigate mean-spirited or outright bullying behaviors.  I wonder if the University would have a different level of engagement and tolerance if the exclusionary criteria and heckling had undertones of racial, biometric, or religious discrimination. </p>
<p> Today&#8217;s freshmen were in kindergarten or first grade in 1999.  Prompted by tragic events that year, most Primary and Secondary schools enacted comprehensive anti-bullying education and policies to minimize if not eliminate the corrosive effects of social ostracization.   Most were zero tolerance policies because of the correlation noted between these types of behaviors and subsequent adolescent mental health disorders.  I hope that IU can consider this a problem that is worthy of more than just acting as an e-mail conduit between this blog and the NPC.  They need to advocate for this segment of their student body and wield some of the influence they have.  While the exclusivity may be something the IU sororities wish to maintain as part of their culture, I cannot see how it is in the best interest of the University or most of the student body. </p>
<p> At this point, my goal is not to get my daughter a place within the Greek system. It’s about making it better for those women who do want a second chance and for the upcoming Freshman class.  At minimum, the following needs to happen:</p>
<p>1.	IU and the IU Greek organizations need to be much more transparent about the exclusivity of the Greek system at IU.  The campus tour guides need to speak to this up front so that students (and their parents) can make informed decisions about \where they spend the next 4 years and their $160,000.</p>
<p>2.	Do what we can to collaborate with the University and the NPC to have the IU Greek houses increase the number of bids they give to women who will live outside of the house.  It will be more affordable for many and make the recruitment process less destructive and more equitable with what is done across the country.</p>
<p>Again, I am not out on some rampage to sully the reputation of the University or the IU Greek system as long as I feel that the problem is not being discounted or being suppressed.  I view an effort to educate current and future applicants about this situation as the right and ethical thing to do given what I know now.  IU and the NPC can join in this effort in a collaborative manner or continue to remain in more passive roles.</p>
<p>Please help me get the word out to forums that will have a broader and more influential audience.  Contact me at <a href="mailto:Dotty.N@comcast.net">Dotty.N@comcast.net</a> so we can organize and be heard.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sorority Recruitment at Indiana University – Bloomington by Another rho fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another rho fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 04:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can honestly say that the &quot;name game&quot;(especially this year) does not go on as often as you think.  Many pnm&#039;s don&#039;t know anything about ranking, and I did not see a lot of exclusionary ranking by participants.  Every house did well this year- it definitely was not a process of mutual selection.  The houses were selecting-it was a simple equation of supply and demand.  People were all over the map preference night and still did not get bids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can honestly say that the &#8220;name game&#8221;(especially this year) does not go on as often as you think.  Many pnm&#8217;s don&#8217;t know anything about ranking, and I did not see a lot of exclusionary ranking by participants.  Every house did well this year- it definitely was not a process of mutual selection.  The houses were selecting-it was a simple equation of supply and demand.  People were all over the map preference night and still did not get bids.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sorority Recruitment at Indiana University – Bloomington by Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 01:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a little dismayed by IU Grad&#039;s comments.  You blame the young women who did not get in for &quot;playing the name game.&quot;  It is easy to look back in retrospect and see that choosing some of the less sought after houses would garner a bid.  In fact, I am thankful for that information, I can pass it on to the other families I know that will be participating in recruitment over the next few years.  However, my daughter had no idea how to rank the chapters to get a bid.  I don&#039;t know how she ranked the chapters, but she should not be blamed for this system.  IU Panhellenic itself calls their own recruitment imperfect and admits that they are emotionally devastating many fine young women.  Also, under the current system, hundreds of women are left out in the cold no matter how they rank the chapters.  There just aren&#039;t enough spots for a university of this size.  Most universities do a much better job of placing the women who want to participate.  IU should find a way to do the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a little dismayed by IU Grad&#8217;s comments.  You blame the young women who did not get in for &#8220;playing the name game.&#8221;  It is easy to look back in retrospect and see that choosing some of the less sought after houses would garner a bid.  In fact, I am thankful for that information, I can pass it on to the other families I know that will be participating in recruitment over the next few years.  However, my daughter had no idea how to rank the chapters to get a bid.  I don&#8217;t know how she ranked the chapters, but she should not be blamed for this system.  IU Panhellenic itself calls their own recruitment imperfect and admits that they are emotionally devastating many fine young women.  Also, under the current system, hundreds of women are left out in the cold no matter how they rank the chapters.  There just aren&#8217;t enough spots for a university of this size.  Most universities do a much better job of placing the women who want to participate.  IU should find a way to do the same.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sorority Recruitment at Indiana University – Bloomington by Jo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 22:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the posts above mentioned that none of the chapters at IU are strong enough nationally to be able to afford housing. I believe this to be incorrect. Off the top of my head, I think Delta Phi Epsilon, Sigma Kappa and Tri Sigma all have national organizations that could support a chapter house. However, IU will just not budge an release any land until all of the Greek houses currently not on Jordan give up their chapter houses and move to the extension. It&#039;s ridiculous. IUPC is going to open up again for extension since Tri Sigma decided not to re-colonize fall of &#039;13. There is a reason they did not want to come: the housing issue. IUPC it&#039;s time to get serious about extension and make a REAL effort to level the playing field. Allow two or three lots to become available and you&#039;ll see DPhiE, SK, and Tri Sig suddenly interested. You just have to dangle to correct carrot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the posts above mentioned that none of the chapters at IU are strong enough nationally to be able to afford housing. I believe this to be incorrect. Off the top of my head, I think Delta Phi Epsilon, Sigma Kappa and Tri Sigma all have national organizations that could support a chapter house. However, IU will just not budge an release any land until all of the Greek houses currently not on Jordan give up their chapter houses and move to the extension. It&#8217;s ridiculous. IUPC is going to open up again for extension since Tri Sigma decided not to re-colonize fall of &#8217;13. There is a reason they did not want to come: the housing issue. IUPC it&#8217;s time to get serious about extension and make a REAL effort to level the playing field. Allow two or three lots to become available and you&#8217;ll see DPhiE, SK, and Tri Sig suddenly interested. You just have to dangle to correct carrot.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sorority Recruitment at Indiana University – Bloomington by IU grad</title>
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		<dc:creator>IU grad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 21:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My chapter does have a live out policy if you are a senior but you still have to pay dues and there is a still a fee involved. You have to pay around $1000 to live out. So it would still be cheaper for a senior to live in a crappy apartment then live in the chapter house but again most seniors do not want to live out. We love living in the house and senior year is typically thr best as you get the most wanted rooms, best parking place etc. who wants to live out and be farther from campus, still have to shuttle to house for activities. That is the one thing about it, seniors do not want to live out. 

For the person wanting pledge class sizes they are all over. As small as 33 and as large as 70 depends on how big house is, seniors graduating etc. most pledge classes average around 40. 

Unfortunately it happens that women dont get bids but in all honesty the women who dont get a bid anywhere totally played the name game. I was a Rho chi (now called rho gam) otherwise known as recruitment counselor. I had two bidless girls and they were ones that totally played the only top tier house is good enough for me game and they didnt win because those chapters take high 30&#039;s low 40 pledge classes because physically are smaller houses. 

The newest sorority was ready to take a huge class and i believe they took 50 something. I bet most of the bidless women ranked them
Last got them off their rotation list but now are thinking twice about that. Probably very nice women all developing a sisterhood. I bet if they opened up informal reruitment right now the women who would go would be sophmores who did not have favorable recruitment around 8 party so had to drop out and the bidless women wouldnt go. Lets just be honest go ask your daughters friends who didnt get a bid &quot;if theta phi alpha offered you a bid would you take it&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My chapter does have a live out policy if you are a senior but you still have to pay dues and there is a still a fee involved. You have to pay around $1000 to live out. So it would still be cheaper for a senior to live in a crappy apartment then live in the chapter house but again most seniors do not want to live out. We love living in the house and senior year is typically thr best as you get the most wanted rooms, best parking place etc. who wants to live out and be farther from campus, still have to shuttle to house for activities. That is the one thing about it, seniors do not want to live out. </p>
<p>For the person wanting pledge class sizes they are all over. As small as 33 and as large as 70 depends on how big house is, seniors graduating etc. most pledge classes average around 40. </p>
<p>Unfortunately it happens that women dont get bids but in all honesty the women who dont get a bid anywhere totally played the name game. I was a Rho chi (now called rho gam) otherwise known as recruitment counselor. I had two bidless girls and they were ones that totally played the only top tier house is good enough for me game and they didnt win because those chapters take high 30&#8242;s low 40 pledge classes because physically are smaller houses. </p>
<p>The newest sorority was ready to take a huge class and i believe they took 50 something. I bet most of the bidless women ranked them<br />
Last got them off their rotation list but now are thinking twice about that. Probably very nice women all developing a sisterhood. I bet if they opened up informal reruitment right now the women who would go would be sophmores who did not have favorable recruitment around 8 party so had to drop out and the bidless women wouldnt go. Lets just be honest go ask your daughters friends who didnt get a bid &#8220;if theta phi alpha offered you a bid would you take it&#8221;</p>
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